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==Phrack Inc.==
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Volume Three, Issue Thirty-one, Phile #2 of 10
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-*[ P H R A C K # 3 1 P R O P H I L E ]*-
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-*[ June 1, 1990 ]*-
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-*[Phz]*-
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---[ Markus Hess ]---
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Recently the Phrack editors had the opportunity to talk to Markus Hess in
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his tiny Hannover flat. This special edition of the Phrack Prophile details
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our conversation, as well as general background information about the German
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Hacker.
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This Phrack Prophile is not in the same format as previous ones because of
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the nature of the profile. In the next issue, we will reform back to the
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orginal creator's format.
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AGE: 26
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HEIGHT: 5' 10"
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HAIR COLOR: BROWN
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EYES: BROWN
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FROM: Hannover, West Germany
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PAST EMPLOYMENT: Software developer in Hannover.
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PEOPLE: Stephen Winero, Walu Holland (Other CCC members)
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STRENGTHS: AT&T Unix, VAX, SunOs and BSD os's
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Hess, most well known as the hacker who's exploits are detailed in
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Clifford Stoll's _The_Cuckoo's_Egg_, "is as paranoid on the telephone as he
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is on the computer." Although he was very reluctant to talk to us, we did
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manage to talk to him about hacking and _The_Cuckoo's_Egg_.
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Ringing Hanover..
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RING
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RING
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RING
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ANSWERED
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HESS: Hallo?
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PHRACK: Is this Markus Hess?
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HESS: Yes.
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PHRACK: Do you smoke Benson & Hedges?
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(At this point we weren't sure it was actually him)
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HESS: Yes, who is this?
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PHRACK: We are calling from the USA, we want to ask you some questions.
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We talk to hackers in the USA.
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HESS: I won't have anything to do with hackers anymore. I have talked in
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court earlier this year.
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PHRACK: Did you know you were in a novel about a hacker in the US?
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HESS: Novel? Yes, I know of a novel.
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PHRACK: Have you read the book?
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HESS: Yes I have read the book.
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PHRACK: Is it all true? Is it all true? Do you think Cliff lied or tried
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to exaggerate in the book?
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HESS: Yes, I think so.
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HESS: Yes, He lied.
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PHRACK: Have you ever talked to Stoll?
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HESS: I have talked to him, but not privately. I don't want to talk about
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this.
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PHRACK: Have you ever seen Cliff Stoll?
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HESS: Yes I have seen him.
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(We might think this from the back of the book)
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PHRACK: He's goofy looking isn't he?
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HESS: goofy? I don't understand.
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PHRACK: Anyway, so you think he lied in the book?
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HESS: Yes, he lied.
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PHRACK: What did he lie about?
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HESS: I don't want to talk about this.
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PHRACK: Okay, are you in the Chaos Computer Club?
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HESS: No, I won't have anything to do with hackers any more.
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PHRACK: Were you ever involved with them?
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HESS: No. I was not in it.
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PHRACK: Do you know anyone in it [the CCC]?
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HESS: Yes. I really must go now.
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PHRACK: Who do you know in it [the CCC]?
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HESS: Stephen Winero.
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PHRACK: Is that it?
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HESS: I know Walu.
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PHRACK: Hmm. Are you being watched?
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HESS: I think so. I can not talk about this.
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PHRACK: Were you scared of going to jail?
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HESS: jail?
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PHRACK: Prison, were you scared of going to prison?
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HESS: I don't know.
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PHRACK: What happened in your words at court?
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HESS: In your words? I don't understand.
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PHRACK: What happened in court?
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HESS: I don't understand.
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PHRACK: Forget it.
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PHRACK: Do you still have your computer?
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HESS: No. I don't have any computer here.
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PHRACK: Did you think they were going to catch you?
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HESS: No. I knew nothing of it.
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PHRACK: Has any other hackers tried to contact you in the U.S.?
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HESS: No. You are the first to call.
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PHRACK: So is it my understanding that Stoll lied in parts of the book?
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HESS: Lied? Yes he lied.
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PHRACK: Why do you think he would lie?
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HESS: I don't know.
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PHRACK: Do you think he made you look destructive?
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HESS: Yes. He made me look mean.
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PHRACK: Are you? Mean that is?
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(Chuckle)
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HESS: No. He made me look like I was a criminal.
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PHRACK: Why did you do it Markus?
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HESS: Do what?
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PHRACK: Hack all over the network like that?
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HESS: I cannot answer.
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PHRACK: Do they call you a liar in court?
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HESS: Yes. They call me a liar.
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PHRACK: What are you going to do now?
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HESS: I don't understand.
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PHRACK: Are you finished with hacking?
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HESS: Yes, I have nothing to do with hackers.
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PHRACK: Was someone helping you hack?
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HESS: I cannot answer.
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PHRACK: How come you cannot answer that question?
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HESS: I cannot.
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PHRACK: Yes, well, Many in the U.S. [hackers] don't like the Novel.
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PHRACK: What do you think of it?
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HESS: It is not true.
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HESS: I don't know.
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PHRACK: Who taught you the EMACS hole?
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HESS: I cannot say.
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PHRACK: Then you must have been working with someone, correct?
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HESS: No, I cannot answer.
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PHRACK: Is the police comming down on you hard?
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HESS: police? I don't und...
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PHRACK: Yeah, yeah. The law? Are they being hard on you.
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HESS: Yes.
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<SILENCE>
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HESS: I must go now.
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PHRACK: Can we call you later?
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HESS: Umm, I don't know. No.
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PHRACK: Why not?
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HESS: I cannot answer.
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PHRACK: What about in a couple of months?
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HESS: Yes, in a couple of months you can call.
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PHRACK: Your not moving are you?
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(Knowing that Germans rarely ever move and their phone
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numbers never change this was a silly Q.)
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HESS: No. I no move.
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PHRACK: Okay, then we'll call you in a couple of months.
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HESS: Okay. I must go.
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PHRACK: Wait a second.
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HESS: Yes?
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PHRACK: Do you have anything to say to American Hackers?
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HESS: No.
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HESS: I have nothing to do with hackers.
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PHRACK: Well, good luck.
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HESS: Yes, you too.
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<CLICK>
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Unfortunately, our lack of German and Hess' weak English made
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communication difficult. He is a very paranoid person who was obviously
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uncomfortable talking to us.
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Those of you that have read Stoll's book know that Hess was involved
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with hacks on American Military Computers, and indirectly involved with
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Computer Espionage and the KGB. Phrack strongly discourages trying to
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hack Military computers and particularly takes offense to computer
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espionage.
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From the information we have gathered from him and by talking to him,
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we feel that Markus Hess wasn't as smart as Clifford Stoll portrayed him to be.
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We also feel that Markus was not working alone and that others were involved.
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This however we cannot be 100% sure because of our communication faults.
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